What are people's opinions on the Personal Ordinariate?

dhm · Feb 11, 2023

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I was with the group who eagerly waited for the Ordinariate with Fr. Christopher Phillips. It looked and sounded good on paper.

I saw the politics. Good Orthodox priests were ignored because they were not connected to the TEC or they did not have a large enough group the Romans would want to crow about how the Anglicans are coming home.

Cardinal Wurel and lackey destroyed the chance of an Ordinariate as the Bishops wanted. In none of the countries is the Ordinariate growing. Yes Our Lady of the Atonement has finally joined and is breathing some life into the Chair of St Peter. None of the programs Rome has put in place has really worked.

Rome is like the borg from Star Trek. You will conform, assimilate and become Roman. The Anglican Use they have created, the liturgy is a mix of various forms.....does not look like Anglicanism. You will have to accept ALL that Rome teaches. The extra biblical and the heresies. Everything the Church in England corrected will have to be abandoned to conform to Rome's view. And no other view is valid.

I spent many years in Rome. I was approved for re-ordination, even though I was ordained by a Bishop with valid line of succession (per Rome) it was not Roman so no good. Same with confirmation. What they told me and what they did was different.

Rome will tell you anything to get you to convert. So be very wise and understand that you will be expected to toe the line with their social justice reasoning. Rome is just as rotten as the TEC, they just look better on the outside and hide it much better. Matthew 23:27-28.

The fellow priests I went to Rome with, we all have returned. My friends who have parishes where large numbers of people left for the Ordinariate have had people returning. Most of the people in the Ordinariate are not cradle Anglicans.

If you feel the Holy Spirit is leading you to Rome, by all means obey the Holy Spirit. Just know who will cease to be Anglican and will be Roman regardless of what they tell you. The liturgy may remind you of Anglicanism, the theology is definitely Roman.

Blessings

Fr. Mark
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I lived in the shadows of OLA and would attend from time to time. Perhaps we've met. OLA came out of my old ECUSA parish (St. Paul's, Grayson).

Mark G · Jul 13, 2023

For us Catholics, the Ordinariates (along with the Eastern Catholic churches and the FSSP) are probably one of the refuges for doctrinal orthodoxy and orthopraxy in the Catholic Church if the worst happens at the General Synod this October and the bishops vote in favor of heresy.

Mark G · Jul 13, 2023

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I've gone back and forth on my views of the Ordinariates. At this point I'd agree with Anne that they aren't Anglican. There's very little that's distinctly 'Anglican' that has been brought over. One could say that they are a continuation of the English expression of Roman Catholicism and that's partially true. Then again many of the traditions that were incorporated into the Ordinariates as 'English' actually have their origin in Gaul and were never distinctly English.
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The term "Anglican" in the context of the Ordinariates in Roman Catholicism is used not to refer to Anglicanism as a religion, but to refer to any Protestant church with roots in England. Thus, the Ordinariates don't just include former Anglicans, but also former Methodists and Black Methodists, amongst others.

Invictus · Jul 13, 2023

Mark G said: ↑

For us Catholics, the Ordinariates (along with the Eastern Catholic churches and the FSSP) are probably one of the refuges for doctrinal orthodoxy and orthopraxy in the Catholic Church if the worst happens at the General Synod this October and the bishops vote in favor of heresy.
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Are you referring to the ‘Synod on Synodality’?

Lowly Layman · Jul 13, 2023

They have a quite beautiful ligurgy

Mark G · Jul 13, 2023

Invictus said: ↑

Are you referring to the ‘Synod on Synodality’?
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I am.

I've been reading too much Church of England news lately and got the Synod of Bishops (Catholic) confused with the currently ongoing General Synod (Church of England) in my comment. The 'Synod on Synodality' is the unofficial colloquial term for the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops.

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