A new Roman Catholic denomination has opened up in India

“The Ecumenical Catholic Church of Christ.” Adds this to the growing list of the various RCC denominations around the world:
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-asia/...-catholics-against-attending-breakaway-chapel

 

Wow:

 

It's difficult to call one chapel a denomination. I would expect the next step to be the priest who leads this community to seek episcopal consecration; and that is not hard to find. Clearly the bishop of the area expects this community to attempt to expand. Time will tell if they've got any momentum.

The alternative route is for them to join an existing Anglican or Old Catholic organization.

 

The independent sacramental movement (as many refer to themselves) is an interesting bunch of theological misfits (and I many cases heretics). The podcast gives a great survey of the movements many tiny jurisdictions. The show is hosted by the leader of the Young Rite, which appears to be an offshoot of the Liberal Catholic Church. He interviews clergy from different churches on a number of topics.

https://sacramentalwhine.libsyn.com/

 

Agreed, though for now they have two. I think we are about to have a GAFCON sponsored Church in Australia which will likely have more.

 

The RCC has a problem with any other churches calling themselves "Catholic," obviously. It isn't as though this upstart called itself "Roman Catholic" in a blatant attempt to deceive, though.

 

We won;t throw stones at them for that!

 

Can you explain that more

 

I am afraid it is a little like the Peace of God which passes all understanding. Perhaps these links will help.

https://olwcatholic.wordpress.com/what-is-the-catholic-apostolic-church-of-australia/

https://www.gafcon.org/news/gafcon-australia-moves-ahead

 

Looks good on the GAFCON part if there will be no WO ordination and they don’t let Sydney dominate them. In fact I don’t think Sydney is Anglican in any meaningful way

 

It should be noted that the Romans don’t recognize the Independent Catholic Church of Brazil’s orders

 

Well -- they're just one RC denomination amongst many. That was the whole point of this thread. There should have never been this myth that there is just one RC denomination.

The only way they kept themselves to being one in the middle ages, is they killed all the others. Literally called the crusades on rival denominations in Europe, and killed down to the last member.

In more civilized times, they're unable to do that, so there are hundreds of RC denominations around the world.

 

I am not sure that is correct. I think they are considered valid but irregular. Certainly that is what I have been told. There seems to be ample conversation between them, at least in the town where I live.

 

Are you referring to the Albenisian Crusade?

 

I think he might have meant the unpleasantness with the Hussites.

 

Yep. All those and more. The sack of Constantinople as part of the crusades as well. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia. Mostly unreliable nowadays, but serviceable on this question:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

 

They were a highly heretical sect and arguably not Christian. I am highly familiar with the travesty of the fourth crusade but know of no crusade against a rival catholic church

 

There were quite a few of them, actually.

 

Not my point. My point is that they were rival Christianities vying for the loyalties of Frenchmen. There were competing Christianities in the Middle Ages even in France of all places. (And in other places all over Europe, as evidenced in my wiki quote).

Were they traditionally medieval? No. Would I support them? Certainly not. But the point is, if this were today, the RCs would be unable to exterminate them. Both denominations would have to compete for adherents using peaceful methods like persuasion and apologetics, like two Protestant groups.

But because the RCs had the right to simply kill everyone who wasn’t them, that’s how there became only “one” Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages. Not because the people were just inherently more loyal to the Popes and to Transubstantiation. But because if you you opposed those things, you would be executed. Or the inquisition would come a-knocking.

Now that the power of persecution has been taken out of their hands, they have to compete on the basis of persuasion and apologetics. And they often fail, as evidenced by hundreds of competing RC denominations. Namely that the RCs are no different from anyone else. The mystique they put on is just a spell.

 

I wonder given the context of this discussion if you would understand the Norman Invasion of England in 1066 in a similar way? Given that William carried out his Invasion with Otto Bishop of Bayeux and carrying the Pope's Banners. Stigand, Archbishop of Canterbury, died of starvation whilst under arrest, and the English Bishops were deposed or met their demise to be replaced by Normans and Italians.